Jul 122017

Ordinary hammerless boxlock non ejector ?

Here is a gun I bought back from Dick’s today to photograph – its been in his store for donkey’s years – the owner has long since forgotten he gave it to Dick for some repair of other but Dick seems to know who each gun belongs to from memory, which is quite a feat given most have been in store for well over ten years.  Open the gun in the normal toplever way and you are in for a surprise….

or a little bit more…..

There is a short breechblock with firing pins floating about between the barrel and the breech face – you put in the cartridge and as you close the gun the block rises between the head of the cartridge and the breech face proper, sliding up in a slot cut in the chamber face – you can see the thick flange on the block.  The action is very neat, if you can work out how it moves, but the ‘why’ is a bit more of a puzzle!

You can see the floating breech – it fits over the rear lump on the barrel and slides in the groove in the action flat

barrel with ‘floating breech in place on the back lump, the end of which is visible as a light square.

The proof marks would appear to be East German Suhl marks post 1950, but I’m not sure about that – so maybe another German gun?

The barrels also have a small ‘G&G’ stamp


So that is the puzzle gun of the moment!  I guess that with the floating breech in place, located and held by the groove in the barrel chamber, very little force is transmitted to the breech face when the cartridge fires. An interesting feature of this design is that the action body width is less than the width across the heads of the two cartridges – something that is impossible with a conventional breech.

And here is the answer to the puzzle from Joerg, see comments below;



Shame about the rust though!  (the inside of the barrels is shootable, but has some pitting)

  4 Responses to “Weird gun”

    • Hi – looking at the gun I wonder if there was originally a pin through the floating breech as in the patent – there is a hole for one – I’ll strip that bit down when I get a moment and see – I’d like to have a look at the action anyway.


  1. Good morning!
    I like this type of puzzle…
    It looks like a Franz Jäger system:

    • Well done Joerg, and thanks for the information! The Franz Jeager patent is very close, but if my gun is 40 years down the line as the proof marks suggest it’s not surprising that it isn’t identical to the patent drawings. They both have the floating breech – but the patent shows it attached to the action flat with a pin or a link – mine floats and slides over the long back lump. So another win for you! I don’t know how I shall keep finding guns to show! I suspect that you have an advantage when it comes to German guns! Dick says he has a Collath drilling that has had the rifle barrel removed, but couldn’t find it – I’ll get him to have another go!

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